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Wren Montreal, Canada I just
wanted to let you know that I really love your website.
From the graphics and content to the music, you have
done a remarkable job!!!
Irene Johnstone hijohn@telusplanet.net
Provost, Ab. Canada I am one of the committe members
working on "Save The Artifacts" from the Empress of
Ireland. I was most fortunate to visit the Museum at
Rimouski this past July. They do have a fine Museum of
Empress artifacts. However, there is also a large
collection owned privately that is being sold and we are
working to keep these in Canada. Anyone interestd in
this project, please contact me.
Angela Grafton agrafton@hotmail.com
Gibsons, B.C. Canada ------- 13 Sep
2003 My Great, Great Grandmother,
Mrs. Susanna Caroline Grafton was 81 years old. She was
living on Bowen Island, B.C. when she decided she wanted
to make one last trip back to England to visit family
and friends. Unfortunately you know the rest of the
story. I wonder if you have any information or pictures
available to me. She was sailing with the Salvation Army
group. Thanks very much for you time. Please don't
hesitate to e-mail me.
Angela Grafton agrafton@telus.net
Gibsons, B.C. Canada ------- 13 Sep
2003 Very nice site you guys. The
photos are amazing! If anyone has info on Mrs. Susanna
Caroline Grafton, please contact me. Trying to find out
as much info as I can. Thanks!
R Marsh marsh cr@forces.gc.ca
-------
12 Sep 2003 Many years ago I read
the story of the E of I and I was ashamed of my
ignorance of Canadian history.To honour the Empress and
her victims I spent two years constructing a detailed
precisely scaled model which I am told does her
justice.It is my small way of making sure that the
legacy of the Empress of Ireland stays here in Canada
where it belongs.
JOHN GOODMAN megafadeyi@yahoo.com
LINZ AUSTRIA ------- 10 Sep
2003 THE IS A LOT OF GOODYS I LOVE
TO HERE
B
MacDonald emdbmd@hotmail.com
Canada ------- 05 Sep
2003 Loved your site, I was
overwhelmed when I saw a picture of Matthew Tales who
was aboard the "Empress of Ireland" He was my great
great grandfather as I am a great grandaughter of James
Tales who was one of the children who was left in Canada
when his father returned to England. It is a wonderful
site.
Ingrid Sabatini sabatini@mb.sympatico.ca
Ste. Anne Mb, Canada ------- 31 Aug
2003 My grandmother Kathleen, who
passed away at the age of 107 last year, came to Canada
from England in 1913. They had attempted to book on the
Titanic, but it was unfortunately full. She traveled to
Canada on the Empress of Ireland. Her story of travel is
recorded on tape. She talked of a birth on the ship. The
baby was named Alberta, because the family was
homesteading in Alberta. Her story is incredible. Her
family name is Riddle. Her mother, brother and older
sister traveled at the same time. Are there lists that I
can view of the passengers list from that
year? Thank you Ingrid Sabatini
Rachel Axford rachel.axford@windom.k12.mn.us
Minnesota ------- 29 Aug
2003 My Grandmother was a
passenger on the Empress of Ireland in the spring of
1914. We have often heard stories of her trip on the
ship. She is now 95 and will be thrilled to hear there
is information about her ship on the web.
Connie Nisinger HRHConnie@aol.com
Godfrey, Illinois U.S.A. ------- 04 Aug
2003 I just returned from a trip
to Quebec City and Rimouski last week to see the
Empress-related sights. What a memorable and emotional
experience for me! My grandfather, George Zuk, was a
survivor, but he lost his first wife and their two
children in the accident. Along with Marion Kelch, Irene
Johnston, her daughter Gail and son-in-law Greg, I was
fortunate to be able to go by boat out to the site of
the sinking. We had a short ceremony and threw roses in
the water in memory of several of the victims. We also
visited many of the CPR memorials in Rimouski and Quebec
City...I'll never forget this trip nor all of the
wonderful people I met as a result!
My
article on Laurence Irving, Mabel Hackney, and the
Empress of Ireland has just appeared in the Journal of
the Irving Society.
I thank all of you for your
generous help. The full reference
is:
The
Performance of Their Lives: Laurence Irving, Mabel
Hackney, and the Empress of Ireland." First
Knight 7.1 (June 2003): 13-51.
It
has a very full selection of illustrations, though some
are not as well reproduced as I had
hoped.
If
you wish a copy, you have to buy, alas, the full journal
at 7 pounds sterling! Send an email to
Michael Kilgarriff, Chairman and Acting Editor, The
Irving Society at
André Gauthier angauthi@cgocable.ca
Rimouski --------31 July
2003 I've just taken a look at
your most interesting site. Good work! I live in
Rimouski and I do visit the Empress of Ireland museum at
least once a year. It's a good thing to see that peoples
still remember this tragedy and it's numerous victims. I
always have a special though for the children that died
on that terrible night. Some senior peoples (now
deceased) used to talk about children that survived, but
having lost their parents and being left with nothing at
all, in a place where they could not even understrand
the language (french spoken here). Should have been a
nightmare to them, even though the population of the
area did her best to help. Let's hope this never happens
again
Irene Johnstone hijohn@telusplanet.net
Provost, Alberta Canada --------15 July
2003 A wonderful web site. My
grandparents and two young sons peished that fateful
night May 29th 1914 the night the Empress of Ireland
sank. I, along with my daughter Gail, husband Greg,
Marion Keltch (who is head of our project to save the
artifacts that the diver Philippe Beaudry has collected
) and Connie Nisinger from Illionis will be visiting
Rimouski next week - July 23rd. We hope to possible take
a boat to the site of the liner and drop some flowers.
We are looking forward to visiting the Museum at
Rimouski. We are also looking forward to dinner with
Philippe Beaudry evening of the 24th at the Chateau
Frontenac. I do have a lot of information about the
Empress.
Marcella Jackson Coffeen,Il.
--------30 June
2003 I just found this web-site of
the Empress of Ireland. I am very interested in it
because I had two great Aunts on the ship. They were in
second cabin page 5. There names are Bessie and Florence
Bawden. They were from Hillsboro,Il not Indiana. I have
a book about the Empress of Ireland and it names
all the passengers. I will be looking at more of this
site. thank you. Marcella
Jess Ansley JessyG83@hotmail.com
UK --------21 June
2003 I mentioned a family member
being lost at sea (stanley Bigland). I found out he
actually gave his life belt to 2 married men. Awhile
after the tragedy they came to England to find him but
discovered he'd died on the
ship.
Jackie (Martin)Kent maof15@hotmail.com
Oshawa, Ontario Canada --------17 June
2003 My grandmother,mother and her
brother and Aunt came to Canada on the Empress of
Ireland,within a year before she sank. I have a child's
deck chair from their voyage on the ship. They
were Frances, Edith, and Alan Haw and Everald
Holder. I would like to know how to view the
passenger list to see the exact date they came over.
Reply from
SeaView: Hello
Jackie. The only passenger list that is posted on
this web site is the list from the final journey of the
Empress of Ireland. We do not have any
others. To get a list like that you might try
contacting CPR archivist Ms. Judith Nefsky @ (514)
395-7951 in Montreal.
John Williams North Wales UK --------13 June
2003 Just a small note, Please
could anyone point me in the right direction to find out
more info on Cpt Frank Carey who sailed the Empress on
the 29/6/06. Im not sure if it was his maiden
voyage or the ships.thank you. I would also like
to know if there are any collectors out there who may be
interested in a Shillelagh(shil-lay-lee) that was
presented to him on this day. If so please leave
your e-mail with your replys and i will get back to you
once again thank you very much.
JW
Derek
Grout gurinskas@mondo.net
Montreal, Canada ---------12 June
2003 A few comments for Roger
Williams, grandson of Second Officer Roger Williams.
Further to your posting of Feb. 23, 2003 I thought you
might be interested to know there's a photo of your
grandfather, along with other officers, on p. 43 of my
book "Empress of Ireland: The Story of an Edwardian
Liner." You might also be interested to know that you
can probably reconstruct a good part of his maritime
career. As an officer, details of his career would have
been recorded in Lloyd's masters records; they will
show, for example, the various ships he worked on and
voyage dates. Visit the website of Memorial University
to find out how you can obtain copies of his record. You
can also obtain detailed information on Crew Agreements
at the Public Record Office in Kew for the Empress and
other vessels. Contact me and I will send you the name
of a man whom I engaged to research some aspects of the
book. As to his burial site, the record shows (as you
know) simply "LOST". In this case, it means his body, if
recovered at all, was not identified. Thus, two
possibilities. His body may not have been recovered and
is still entombed in the hull or, second, it was
recovered during the diving operations conducted during
the summer of 1914 but was not identified. There is a
mass grave at Rimouski where the remains of 20
identified and 68 unidentified bodies are buried. He is
not one of the 20. Other crew members were buried in two
Quebec City cemeteries. If you want to visit some places
that your grandfather knew, the Breakwater in Quebec
City where the Empress docked is still there, and so is
the former Seamen's Institute. See my book for details.
Hope this helps you. --Derek Grout
Jess Ansley Jessyg83@hotmail.com
http://www.geocities.com/conlee83/familytree
Yorkshire, UK ---------09 June
2003 Great site. Came across it
after being told by my nan that her Mum's Cousin was
killed on that dreadful night. I looked at your
passenger list and there he was STANLEY BIGLAND. All i
have to do is find out when he went over to canada in
the first place and who with. Wicked
website!
Tony hird tonyhird@blueyonder.co.uk
Liverpool UK ---------07 June
2003 Further to my earlier
message, I visited the Merseyside Maritime Museum and
traced the AVA. She was a 5076 tonne vessel owned by the
British and Burma Steam Nav. Co. It appears she sailed
from Liverpool for Dakar and Rangoon on 26th January
1917 (my father's 15th birthday) and was torpedoed of
the coast of SW Ireland some days later. The crew of 92
were all lost. At least I have an approx date of my
grandmother's
death.
Tony Hird tonyhird@blueyonder.co.uk
Liverpool UK ---------03 June
2003 I have been tracing my family
tree back to 1750. I have discovered that William Hird
survived the tragedy. He was an assistant engineer's
steward. He was my father's elder brother. I have a
newspaper cutting dated 4th January 1979 from a Sydney
newspaper, the 'SUN' in which he recounts his escape
from the 'Glory Hole'. He tells that he celebrated his
16th birthday only six days before the vessel sailed. On
his return to Liverpool his mother begged to leave the
sea. His father had died in 1912. Many of his family
worked for the White Star Line. It was ironic that she
worked as a stewardess for the White Star Line. She was
lost at sea on board the AVA which was last sighted off
the French coast in 1916. Her name appears on our local
war memorial and in York Minster. Bill emigrated to
Australia in 1921 - hence the Australian newspaper
references.
June Hayes Hayesj@telus.net
Langdon Alberta Canada ---------16 May
2003 My grandfather's sister Annie
Juniper and her little boy Arthur were living in
Toronto, Ontario . My mother "baby sat" little Arthur.
Annie did not like living in Canada and was returning to
England on the Empress. They were third class passengers
and both were
lost
Heidi papen heidipapen@hotmail.com
Belgium ----------13 May
2003 I was so happy to find the
passenger list of the Empress on this site. My
grandfather's brother Camille Vernier(s) emigrated to
Canada and decided to come back to Belgium with his wife
and six children aboard the Empress. My grandfather and
his whole family (parents and 11 brothers and sisters)
waited for a long time...but their brother and his
children, they had never seen, never came back... It
felt good to see their names on the passenger list...
Thanks, sincerely, Heidi Papen
Barbara Zuk Walbar@aol.com
East Alton, IL USA ----------04 May
2003 My late father-in-law, his
first wife Maria or Marie, and his two children were
passengers on the Empress of Ireland when it sank May
29, 1914. George was saved, his wife and two children
were lost. The two children are buried somewhere at
Quebec City but we have been unable to find their
graves. George Zuk was spelled Zouk on the
ship's passenger list.
Geoff Whitfield whitfieldgeoff@aol.com
United Kingdom ----------24 Apr
2003 Hello
Jenna, I was interested to
see your posting relating to Christopher Halliday. You
probably have all of these details but hopefully can
correct me if I have too many things wrong! Christopher
Halliday was born in Moffat, Dumfries, Scotland around
1863, the son of David and Elizabeth Halliday. As a
young man he found employment in Dumfries as a grocer,
working on the main Dumfries High Street. He married
Helen Aitken on 20th november 1888 in johnstone,
Scotland, from the marriage two children, Helen and
David were born. He became a farmer in Dumfries before
the family emigrated to Pierson, Manitoba in 1898 where
he again took up farming, later establishing a store
named Lockerbie & Halliday. Some time before 1914 he
was widowed and retired from his business, although
continued to act as Postmaster for Pierson. 1914 saw him
returning to Scotland to visit with family and with a
view to their returning with him. His body was recovered
and is buried in Winslow, Saskatchewan. Kind regards
Geoff
Jenna Jenna_halliday2002@yahoo.ca
----------16
Apr 2003 Their is actually a
monument of the empress of Ireland, on one of the
southwestern manitoba parks. My Great Great Grand
father, Chris Halliday was going back to Ireland, to
bring his family over to Canada when the empress went
down.
Alan Salmon rockandhels@salmon27.freeserve.co.uk
Penzance, Cornwall, UK ----------06 Apr
2003 I have been trying to trace a
crew list for the Empress of Ireland. I happened to come
across your website during my research and thought it
was excellent. Alan Salmon
Bernard Queensland, Australia
----------05
Apr 2003 You have a wounderful
sight about the Empress of Ireland. I was wanting to ask
you about the bodies recovered from the wreck sight. I
noticed that on the Empress of Ireland memorial or grave
marker in Rimouski, PQ that there are names of
passengers and crew who don't have 'Body Identified' by
their names in your passenger and crew list. Were these
other bodies recovered much later? Or is it just an
oversight on the passenger crew list. Do you have a
complete list of all bodies recovered in number order
and their disposition? Thanks
Private krankenversicherung http://www.private-krankenversicherung-2003.de/
DE ----------01 Apr
2003 Hello! Great site! Greetings
from Germany
Marchant kar_marchant@hotmail.com
----------26
Mar 2003 My great grandfather came
to Canada on the Empress of Ireland. I'm presently
working on my family geneology and if anyone has the
dates or locations of were she ported in 1901 to 1908
mostly 1908 it would be appritated if you could send
them to me.
Geoff Whitfield whitfieldgeoff@aol.com
----------23
Mar 2003 Micheal, The last
survivor to die was Grace (Hanagan) Martyn on 15th May
1995 - the first to die is a more difficult question.
Several people died shortly after rescue, but one of the
first to die, who actually sailed home, was first class
passenger Charles Lindsay Claude Bowes-Lyon who was
killed during active service on 23rd October
1914. Reply
from SeaView: Thanks for
that reply Geoff. I had the great pleasure of
having dinner with Grace Martyn one evening. A
friend of mine Steve Brooks knew her from years ago when
he was involved in diving the wreck site. He had
met her then. So Steve and I went to St.
Catharines to meet with her at the old age home she was
at and then went out to Swiss Chalet that night.
She always liked talking to the divers who had been to
the wreck site and particularly like my buddy
Steve. We had a great evening. I was sorry
to hear that she had passed away within the next
year.
Adam Australia ----------21 Mar
2003 I would like to say that the
begining of the'M's' in Second-class passenger list is
partley missing. Could you fix this? Thanks
Reply from
SeaView: Hello
Adam. Thanks for pointing this out. I have
corrected it.
Micheal Phillips
Glasgow ----------21 Mar
2003 I was wondering who was the
first Empress of Ireland survivor to die? Who was the
last passenger and crew member to die?
Joyce Vear Australia ----------21 Mar
2003 About the three maids onboard
the Empress of Ireland, I have found the name of one of
them. It is Hilda Haggerson. She was the maid of Mable
Irving. She was from London, England and had been
travelling with the Irvings through the USA and Canada.
She had originaly booked, with her employers, onboard
the Teoutnic (a White Star Line ship) but cancelled and
booked on the Empress of Irealand. One other thing she
was travelling with, Harold and Elsie Neville of
Second-class. Unfortuantly the entire party were all
lost in the sinking. It is beleived that Lauence Sidney
Irving's body was recovered from the wreck sigh and
identified by a signet ring he was wearing. The other
two maids, names unknown belong to - Mrs. Maude Cullens
(lost) and Mrs. H. R. O'Hara (saved). I hope this helps
Ethen from Sydney.
Irene Johnstone ----------20 Mar
2003 My grandparents and
their two young sons perished on this fateful
journey of the Empress of Ireland, May 29,
1914. They were on their way back to Sweden when
tragedy struck. Marcus Sylvester Blomquist, wife
Elisabet (Lisa) Katarina Eriksson(Dotter), sons Olav
Sigfrid Blomquist (age 11) and Erick Walfred Blomquist
(aged 9) leaving 5 sons and two daughters to continue
with their life out west in the province of
Alberta. My father Karl (Carl) - the last one
of this family died Feb, 3rd 1983. The name
had been changed to Nelson. I am the only
surviving child of Carl Nelson's family. I
am, also, a member of the committe to save the artifacts
of this liner from being sold to a buyer in
Florida.
Thank you to http://seaviewinmaging/
for the wonderful information.
Alyssa basketball_gurl_17@basketball.com
Kansas USA ----------20 Mar
2003 This is such a cool site i did
research on here and found EVERYTHING that i
needed Reply
from SeaView: Hello
Alyssa. Glad you enjoyed the web site on the
Empress of Ireland and that it was of some assistance to
your project at school.
Connie Zuk Nisinger HRHConnie@aol.com
U.S.A. ----------16 Mar
2003 I just received the Empress of
Ireland video--it is EXCELLENT!!! I'm still
searching for the burial site of my father's
half-siblings Wladisaw & Josefa Zuk. They did
not survive the shipwreck & were identified by my
grandfather George Zuk (who was one of the survivors),
but haven't had any luck yet. May my ancestors rest in
peace AND may the artifacts remain in Canada where they
belong.
Karl viele_bunte_sachen@yahoo.de
http://www.viele-suchmaschinentipps.de/
Geramny ----------14 Mar
2003 Hiya, good one! Really nice
site, wirh a very clear and simple design!
Reply from
SeaView: Hello
Karl. Glad you enjoyed browsing the site.
Thanks very much.
Jane
Willis valle@rangenet.com
Minnesota, USA ----------09 Mar
2003 I happened upon Country
Canada on CBC television today (March 9th,2003) and the
story of the Empress of Ireland. And I was amazed
that I had not ever heard of the tragedy of that summer
of 1914. How sad, how so very sad that this story
has not been widely known - at least here in the
U.S. Everyone has seen and heard countless stories
and documentaries on the Titanic, but how many of us
know what happened to the Empress of Ireland?? Not
too many is my guess. And how sad, that the powers
that be in the Canadian government have not much to keep
the artifacts and history of their final voyage in
Canada.
It would be an outright shame if this
very important piece of Canadian history shipped out to
another country. It is my hope that the deadline
is met with the funds to keep the artifacts in
Canada. I have one question.....why hasn't someone
(if not the Canadian government won't help out), with
the financial resources come forward with the
dollars? We can only hope as the March 20th
deadline looms, the monies will be found.
Reply from
SeaView: Hello
Jane. I think in most cases if one person or
organization did want to come forward with enough money
for the artifacts, that they would want to keep the
artifacts for themselves not in a museum. I
believe it will have to be a governmental purchase for
the artifacts to stay in a national museum. The
Canadian government is not willing to pay all the monies
for that. It will take numerous small donations
from people to come up with $750,000.00.
Personally I don't believe that Phillippe Beaudry has a
solid sale agreement with someone in Florida although he
says he does. Now that he has a permit to
export them out of the country, if he had a solid
agreement, then why doesn't he send them to the person
in Florida that wanted them. Saying he'll help
Canada out by keeping them here till the money is raised
seems like a breech of contract with the person in
Florida. Seems very strange. I have to
wonder if there ever was a real buyer in Florida.
Could this be a set up? I know several
people that believe it
is.
Paul
Martin ---------07 Mar
2003 Hi I have just
seen a segment on Country Canada about the Empress
of Ireland and how you are trying to keep the artifacts
in Canada. Have you tried contacting the Canadian
Pacific Railway for a donation after all it was a CPR
ship, who knows they may come across with some money.
It's would be in their interest as a GOOD Corporate
Citizen and the PR wouldn't do them any harm. Let
me know how you make out. Reply from SeaView:
Hello Paul. As far as I understand
it, CPR has pretty much washed their hands of the
Empress. They don't seem to be interested in it at
all. I do know that any artifacts that are
recovered from the Empress have to be reported to the
"Receiver of Wrecks - Canadian Coast Guard". They
are then kept for a year and a day and if the owner
(CPR) doesn't want them, then the artifacts are given
back to the salver with a receipt saying they belong to
them (this is before it became an historical
site). CPR didn't want anything to do with the
artifacts. The committee has already approached
CPR about helping fund keeping the artifacts in Canada
and they have not responded
yet.
David Davies Adelaide,
Australia ----------07 Mar
2003 Can you tell me if the following
passengers were survivors of the Empress of Ireland -
Dorothy Balcombe, Mr. and Mrs. Graham, Mrs. Wood and the
Greenaway party (Thomas, Margaret and Herbert). Any
information will be greatful. Reply from
SeaView: To see the
Passenger List go to "Final
Journey Passenger & Crew List" .
These are new pages on this web site.
Elizabeth White London, England
----------07 Mar 2003 Can you
tell me if J. R. Abercrombie was from Vavcouver, BC or
from India? Did he survive the
sinking? Reply
from SeaView: To see the
Passenger List go to "Final
Journey Passenger & Crew List" .
These are new pages on this web site.
ethan
sydney ----------07 Mar
2003 I understand there were three maids
(personal servants) travelling in First-class. Who
were they? Did they survive? Which
First-class passengers where they were employed to?
Thank-you. Reply from SeaView:
Hello Ethan. Sorry I don't have that
information.
Adam
Australia ----------28 Feb
2003 I was wondering if the following
survived or died in the sinking - William Akerman; Ethel
Bachi; Gordon Davidson; Mrs. Carl Flifet (Josephine);
the Taavettila Family (Allan; Hilma and Annti)and the
Delmont Family (Mr. and Mrs.; Arthur W.; Lizzie and
Leonard. Thank-you for any information about these
passengers. Adam. Reply from SeaView:
Hello Ralph. To see the Passenger
List go to "Final
Journey Passenger & Crew List" .
These are new pages on this web site.
Marie-Eve Martin Laval,
near Montreal, Canada
-----------26 Feb 2003 I Just
wanted to thank you guys for the wonderful website you
have done on the Empress of Ireland. I had a work
to do on it, and because of you, I understood the
tragedy a lot better ! Good work ! Reply from
SeaView: Hello
Marie. Glad you enjoyed browsing the site and it
helped you. Thanks very much.
Ralph Shandley reshandley@shaw.ca
Sidney,B.C.,Canada
-----------27 Feb 2003 Hi,
Enjoyed perusing your web pages. I've read a
couple of books on this tragedy, one listed all
passengers. I am trying to find a Crew List. My
great Uncles brother was a crew member on Irelands last
trip. Can a record of Enoch Ffoulkes (Foulkes )be found
in the Crew List? Reply from SeaView:
Hello Ralph. To see the Passenger
List go to "Final
Journey Passenger & Crew List" .
These are new pages on this web site.
Howard Hutcinson 8hutchh@sout1.k12.id.us
www.pbs online/ lost liners Idaho
USA -----------24 Feb
2003 Hey Love your site it's sad I Would
Like you to e-mail me if you get this message Im A fan
of the Empress Of Ireland
Roger
Williams -----------23
Feb 2003 Hi, My name is Roger
Williams. My grandfather was, I think, a second officer
on the Empress of Ireland. Skipping the tragedy that his
death caused to my family, along with all the others; I
would like to know if he has a grave or other memorial
in or near Fathers Point or Rimouski. If so I want
to visit. Can you help please?
Roger. Reply from SeaView:
Hello Roger. There were several
Williams on the crew of the Empress (9). Only one
is listed as a 2nd Officer:
| Name |
Position |
Remarks |
| WILLIAMS,
R. |
2nd
Officer |
Lost |
He may have been buried at the mass grave at
Rimouski, Quebec. You could contact the Rimouski
museum to get a listing of the individuals buried
there. Their web site is: http://www.museedelamer.qc.ca/html/empress.htm
. The contact information is: Le Musée
de la mer de Pointe-au-Père 1034, rue du Phare
Pointe-au-Père (Québec) G5M 1L8 Téléphone :
418-724-6214 Télécopieur: 418-721-0815 Courriel
: mailto:museepc@globetrotter.qc.ca If
they were not buried there then you could also try
contacting David Zeni who has done a lot of research on
the subject and written a book "Forgotten
Empress". His email is dzeni@earthlink.net
. Hope this
helps.
Euro europuletti@tiscali.it
Costacciaro (Peruse, Umbria, Italy)
-----------23 Feb 2003 Dear
Sir, my name is Euro, Yes, You have well understood:
exactly like the common European money. I am Italian,
and I live and teach in Umbria, nearby Assisi, "the land
of Saint Francis". I would like to know if, in the
shipwreck of Empress of Ireland, there was some Italian
simple passenger. Besides, I only would like to know,
if, in the shipwreck of the Empress of Ireland, there
were these two "SURVIVORS" Italian third class
passengers: Mr. MORELLI PAOLO and Mr. LUPINI NAZZARENO,
or NAZARENO? If You can not help me, please suggest to
me where could I find and consult the survivors list of
Empress of Ireland? With respect and congratulations for
Your excellent website and activity! This information
could help me in a piece of research about this
forgotten, but fascinating, sea tragedy. Excuse me
because of my English: extremely rusty and unbearable
impolite. I beg Your pardon! Thank You very much! With
respect and congratulations for Your politeness!
Costacciaro, Umbria, Peruse, XXII-II-MMIII Dr. Euro
Puletti P.S. My name is ?Euro?, and not, please? ??uro?.
It comes from ancient Greek. It was the name of the
south east wind. My own address is: Euro Puletti, Via
Flaminia n. 23, C.A.P. 06021, Costacciaro, Perugia
(Italy). E.P. Reply from SeaView:
Hello Euro. I'm sorry but I've
looked and do not see either of those names any where on
the passenger list for the final journey of the Empress
of Ireland.
Capt. Bill Hewitt (Dolphin Charters) bhewitt@mnsi.net
www.mnsi.net/~bhewitt
windsor, ont. Canada -----------19 Feb
2003 Great looking site - already have a
couple of your videos - excellent job.
Jeremy Allgrove allgrove@clara.net
UK -----------10 Feb
2003 Many thanks for your reply. You are
right that the surname has been misspelt and should be
Allgrove not Allgrane. This helps me to try to trace the
people concerned further.
Seto Kaiba 8randac@sout1.k12.id.us
Idaho/Usa -----------05
Feb 2003 would be so kind as to send me more
of the Empress of Irelands story and i love your site
davidbarber
refridgerationman vancouvercanada
-----------03 Feb 2003 my great aunt and her two
children survived this disaster as well as her unborn
child
Lesley Turner lesley.turner2@btinternet.com
Norfolk, England -----------02 Feb
2003 I believe my Great Grandmother, Mrs White was on
the Empress of Ireland when she went down,I'm not sure
if anyone else was with her, I do know that my great
Grandfather,David White, stayed in Canada awaiting her
return from England where she was coming to collect her
son and his family of five young children, (he lost his
wife the previous year). The only other information I
have is that she would have probably been in her 50's,
they emigrated to Canada with the Salvation Army a few
years previous, I think they lived in Erith in the U.K.
before they emigrated and that her destination would
have been possibly Plumstead (London or Kent). My great
Grandfather, I believe, remained in Canada working for
the Salvation Army, where he eventually died and was
buried. I would really appreciate any information you
can give me. With kindest regards
Adam Daly Ringwood,
Australia -----------01 Feb
2003 Thank-you for your reply. I was reading the New
York Times Newspaper of, May-June, 1914 and noticed it
mention that their were three maids in First-class. Did
they survive? I know that there employers were as
follows - 1. Mrs. Mable Irving (died) and the maids name
was, Miss. Hilda Hagerson. 2. Mrs. Maude Cullen (died)
and maids name unknown. 3. Mrs. H. R. O'Hara (survived)
and the maids name unknown. If you could fill in the
gaps I would be happy. How many bodies were recovered?
How many member of the Salvation Army were onboard and
how many survived? One last question. Is it true that
the Titianic and the Lusitania disasters had conections
to the sinking of the Empress of Ireland. Thanks for any
information.
Chris Randall nancychris@cableone.net
Idaho USA -----------26 Jan
2003 Your site is cool i have a book on the empress
is there any way i can h elp
CHRIS
RANDALL nancychris@cableone.net
USA -----------24 Jan 2003 Sad
site it makes me want to cry and I am I love the empress
of ireland e-mail me please she was a beutiful vessle
iam 13 going on 14 i read a lot about ships this one
makes me want to cry. Reply from SeaView:
Hello Chris. I'm glad you enjoyed
seeing the Empress on our web site.
Howard Young youngjh@gosympatico.ca
Ontario,Canada -----------21
Jan 2003 Excellant site
Connie Zuk Nisinger HRHConnie@aol.com
Godfrey, Illinois U.S.A. -----------18
Jan 2003 My grandfather (George Zuk) was a survivor
of the Empress of Ireland shipwreck. His wife & 2
children drowned. I'm trying (without any luck) to
locate the children't graves (they were identified by my
grandfather & buried, but we don't have a clue as to
where)...apparently his wife went down with the ship. He
later met & married my grandmother--my father is
named after his dead half-brother. Unfortunately, my
grandfather didn't talk about the shipwreck much &
he died while my father was young, so we don't know
much. If anyone can give me some hints as to where else
I can seach for information, it would be GREATLY
appreciated! Here's my bio & photo for him on the
FindAGrave website: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=7037174
. NOTE: (I could not connect to this web
page). Reply from
SeaView: The listing
below indicates that your grandfather was saved and
transported June 10th to New York. You can see
that Josefa and Wladislaw's bodies were recovered.
I see that the spelling is different. There is
also a Zuk on the listing [(ZUK (or ZSHUK), Kirilo] but
no other Zuk's so I don't think this is the one you are
looking for. The children may have been buried at
the mass grave at Rimouski, Quebec. You could
contact the Rimouski museum to get a listing of the
individuals buried there. Their web site is:
http://www.museedelamer.qc.ca/html/empress.htm
. The contact information is: Le Musée
de la mer de Pointe-au-Père 1034, rue du Phare
Pointe-au-Père (Québec) G5M 1L8 Téléphone :
418-724-6214 Télécopieur: 418-721-0815 Courriel
: mailto:museepc@globetrotter.qc.ca If
they were not buried there then you could also try
contacting David Zeni who has done a lot of research on
the subject and written a book "Forgotten
Empress". His email is dzeni@earthlink.net
. Hope this helps.
| Name |
Tickets Purchased
at |
Destination |
Remarks |
| ZOUK,
Georgi |
Chicago,
Ill. |
Lemberg |
To New York, June
10 |
| ZOUK,
Josefa |
Chicago,
Ill. |
Lemberg |
Lost, Body
Identified |
| ZOUK,
Maria |
Chicago,
Ill. |
Lemberg |
Lost |
| ZOUK,
Wladislaw |
Chicago,
Ill. |
Lemberg |
Lost, Body
Identified |
Private krankenversicherung http://www.private-krankenversicherung-ak.de/
-----------12 Jan 2003 Great
site!
Jamie Hay jamtart@telusplanet.net
Edmonton, Alberta -----------03 Jan
2003 Excellent site! I have book marked it and will
come back periodicvally to check for updates. The under
water videos are very unsettling yet help to complete
the picture of this unkown disaster. Thank you for your
efforts.
Carol Robinson crobinson22@hotmail.com
Maple Ridge, British Columbia/Canada
-----------03 Jan 2003 I'm wondering if a WILLIAM
SKENE was a passenger on the Empress of Ireland. We
found a very old bible (which looks waterlogged!) and in
there is a newspaper clipping of the tradegy of this
ship. Reply from
SeaView: Sorry I do not see the name Skene anywhere
on the passenger/crew list for the final voyage of the
Empress of Ireland.
Jeremy ALLGROVE allgrove@clara.net
UK -----------30 Dec 2002 My father's
first cousin, one James Rawlings ALLGROVE, had a wife,
Florence Alice (nee Daws), who was travelling back to
England with her two young daughters. I do not know the
names of the two daughters, although I think the elder
one was called Vera, as I can find no record of their
births in the Family Records Office as I suspect that
they were born in the USA. I would be very interested to
have any further information such as names etc and, if
possible, ages. I do know that there was some confusion
about the booking as they arrived to find their cabin
occupied by four men! I look forward to hearing from
you. Reply from
SeaView: I
had difficulty finding the name Allgrove on the
passenger list. The list has them spelled as
Allgrane. I believe this to be correct since the
first names are Mrs. F and Vera. The listing
reads:
| Name |
Tickets Purchased
at |
Destination |
Remarks |
| ALLGRANE, Mrs.
F. |
Windsor , Ontario
|
London,
England |
Lost |
| ALLGRANE,
Vera |
Windsor , Ontario
|
London,
England |
Lost |
| ALLGRANE,
Evelyn |
Windsor , Ontario
|
London,
England |
Lost |
Adam Davly Ringwood, Victoria
Australia -----------28 Dec 2002 I was
wondering how many personal servants were onboard the
Empress of Ireland. Did they survive? Who were their
employees? I have found your sight on the Empress of
Ireland very interesting. I have learnt quite a lot
about the passenngers and crew who sailed on her last
voyage. Reply from
SeaView: Hello Adam. There were quite a few
servants on board at the time. Many of the crew
were able to get off since they were on duty at the time
of the sinking. Those people who had not retired
for the evening had a better chance at getting off
during the 14 minutes it took to the vessel to
sink. The employer of course was the Canadian
Pacific Railway.
JohnWooFan jwf@pirannos.de
germany -----------26 Dec
2002 Happy new year!
Richard Easterbrook reaste1430@aol.com
UK -----------26 Dec 2002 I
have a photo of passenger Harold Neville as he may have
looked touring in Irving's company, now ready for email,
but, Dan, I have lost your home email as I have changed
PC. Richard Easterbrook. Reply from SeaView:
Thanks Richard. I
finally received your photo and I have posted a page
dedicated to Harold
& Elsie Neville.
David Tucker david.tucker@btconnect.com
Scotland -----------19 Dec
2002 Message: re Empress of Ireland, Thomas
Jones. Thought you might be interested. My aunt
who died in London (England) in 2002 was our unofficial
family archivist. In her trunk, I found reference to Tom
Jones who went down with the Empress. Don't know if he
was passenger or crew, but he had married my great-aunt
Lily just ten months before. Lily was one of eight
Hodgsons, one brother lived 100 years, another just 11
weeks - tragedy was neverr far away in those days.
Any status you can find for Thomas E. Jones?
Thanks Reply from
SeaView: The listing
shows T. Jone in Second Class. There were 13
Jones' on the crew but none with the initial
T.
| Name |
Tickets Purchased
at |
Remarks |
| JONES, Mr.
T. |
Toronto,
Ont. |
Lost |
Dianne Georgeson diannegeorgeson@shaw.ca
Strathmore, Alberta -----------19 Dec 2002 I believe that
two of my great uncles by the name of Robert Patterson
and Jack Patterson died while sailing on the Empress.
The story is that one of the boys was on his way back to
England to be married. Reply from SeaView:
Yes. The Patterson boys
were on the passenger list. The list reads
as: Name
Ticket Purshased
at
Remarks PATTERSON, Mr. John
Calgary, Alta.
Lost PATTERSON, Mr. Robert
Calgary, Alta.
Lost There is also listed under these
names: PATTERSON, Miss S.
Calgary, Alta.
Lost
Sue McGaw gayton.gardens@xtra.co.nz
-----------12 Dec 2002 I
have letter dated 1914 which mentions the Bloomfield
family as being passengers lost on the Empress of
Ireland. Reply from
SeaView: Yes. The Bloomfield family from New
Zealand were on board in First Class. The list
reads as: Name
Ticket Purshased
at
Remarks BLOOMFIELD, Lieut.-Col. W.R.
Auckland,
N.Z.
Lost..........body identified BLOOMFIELD, Mrs. W. R.
Auckland, N.Z.
Lost..........body identified BLOOMFIELD, Miss H. I.
R.
Auckland, N.Z.
Lost..........body identified
Lynn sassenachcan@netscape.net
Alberta, Canada -----------12 Nov
2002 Hello: I was told that
a Saul Pritchard was aboard the Empress of Ireland when
she went down. He was probably part of the crew.
Is there any record of him. Any information will
be greatly appreciated. Reply from SeaView:
Yes. There are 3
Pritchards listed as crew. The listing on
the crew reads as: Name
Position
Remarks PRITCHARD, E.
Asst. Cook
Lost PRITCHARD, J.
Asst. Steward
Saved PRITCHARD, O.
Asst. Steward
Saved Are any of these the Saul you are looking
for? I see two of them were
saved.
John Regan rego@merseymail.com
Liverpool
England -----------06 Nov 2002 Enjoy the site keep up the good work.
Looking for info on Michael Regan my granfathers brother
who served on the Empress. Reply from SeaView:
Yes. Michael Regan was
a fireman on the fatal journey of the Empress. His
listing on the crew list reads as: Name
Position
Remarks REGAN, M.
Fireman
Lost
Jacqueline Lee jsimmonds7@hotmail.com
-----------30 Nov 2002 I was
wondering if you had any information about a crew member
on the Empress of Ireland. His name was Gerrard Thompson
and he was a plumber. Thank you for your time. Reply from SeaView:
Yes. Gerald Thompson
was a plumber on the fatal journey of the Empress.
His listing on the crew list reads as: Name
Position
Remarks THOMPSON, G. J.
Plumber
Lost, body identified
Jim thechandlers@sympatico.ca
canada -----------30 Nov 2002 COOL
WE KEEP OUR BOAT AT T.P.M.B. PLEASE SEND US INFO. I
WOULD LIKE TO GET INTO DIVING. Reply from SeaView: You can try Executive Divers dive shop
in Port Dover for dive courses as well as Long Point
Divers. There is also Scuba Plus in
Simcoe. There is Dean's Sport and Dive in
Kitchener and Diver City in Brantford.
Haven't taken a scuba course in many moons or know any
of my friends who have so I have know idea of today's
cost. I think I've seen your boat down at the lake
before. Nice. Hope you find a course
and get in on the shipwrecks of Long Point.
Adam ADAM@seniorshealthguide.tv
-----------14 Nov 2002 Really good
site, with neat SeaView images!
Rae impromptu05@hanmail.net
-----------12 Nov 2002 It's REALLY
great and well organized site!! I'm just wondering when
the Empress sank. I couldn't find the specific
dates. Have a Good Day Reply from SeaView:
The Empress of Ireland sank
on May 29, 1914 in the early morning
hours.
Lindy Clements & J. Cox lindyclem@earthlink.com
Oakland, CA -----------11
Nov 2002 On the PBS Lost Liners show I saw what
appeared to be the passenger list of the Empress scroll
by including two names, one after the other: CLEMENTS
& COX. Can you please confirm this with any
additional info? Thanks for the great
site. Reply from
SeaView: Those two names are on the passenger list
of the fatal journey in the Third Class. They read
as: Name
Ticket Purshased
at Destination
Remarks CLEMENTS, Robt.
H
Port Hope,
Ont. London
Lost COX,
Mary
Fort Frances,
Ont.
Amsterdam
Lost There is also a Cox in the Crew List: Name
Position
Remarks COX, S. A.
Writer
Lost
Tony Ciccariello ajc3.geo@yahoo.com
http://www.geocities.com/ajciccar/empress.html
jackson, new
jersey, usa ----------- 2 Nov 2002
Hello. I just had to link this
page, take care. you're the third link on the url.
Tony
Sara Gray svg72@ihug.com.au
Australia
----------- 28 Oct 2002 My Great
Grandfather Alfred Stanford was meant to be travelling
on the Empress of Ireland after he had sent his family
back to England earlier in the year - he never made it.
The question remains, was he on the ship or did he stay
in Canada? If anyone has any information that they could
pass on it would be greatly appreciated, as i can inform
his daughter(age 94) of her father's fate. Thank
you. Reply from
SeaView: Sorry to
take so long to get back to you. Rest assured now,
the name Alfred Stanford does not appear any where on
the passenger list of the fatal journey of the Empress
of Ireland.
Richard Easterbrook reaste1430@AOL.COM
UK
----------- 28 Oct 2002 My grandparents were
travelling with Irving the actor in his theatre company
when they were drowned on the Empress of Ireland. I have
heard from Ian Kinder that they were on the passenger
list but that no bodies were found - unfortunately I
have lost touch with him, as he asked me to post their
pictures on a site. My mother, their only surviving
child, is now writing her life story at the age of 88 or
89 (we are not sure!) and is probably the last living
person with direct links to the tragedy. She says she is
dedicating her memoirs to her parents, about whom little
was said in her childhood, dominated as it was by a
Victorian reticence about these things. I would be
grateful for more information and any indication of
where to post the photos of HAROLD NEVILLE and ELSIE
NEVILLE. With best wishes Richard Easterbrook their
grandson. Reply from
SeaView: I
found the Nevilles listed in Second Class. It
reads as: Name
Ticket Purshased
at Remarks NEVILLE,
Mr. H.
London, Eng.
Lost NEVILLE,
Mrs.
London, Eng.
Lost It sounds like your mother's
story will be very interesting. How old was your
mother when her parents died on the
Empress?
Douglas Birch douglas.birch@sympatico.ca
Brighton,
ON ----------- 25 Sep 2002 My
grandfathers first wife and two children were third
class passengers aboard the Empress of Ireland (all with
the last name BIRCH). Their bodies were never found. I
have a full set of schematics for the Empress of Ireland
and I was wondering if anyone knew of the existence of a
passenger list that would give the location of where
these people may have been staying aboard the
Empress? Reply from
SeaView: Yes the Birch family is listed in the
Third Class passenger listing. Many people in
third class perished on the Empress since the deck
levels for third class were down so far. As you
read the ship sank in 14 minutes. Third class in
the prints are two deck levels below the second
and first class dining rooms up forward by the forward
cargo hatch. Name
Ticket Purshased
at Destination
Remarks BIRCH, Mrs. R.
Toronto,
Ont.
London
Lost BIRCH,
Jack
Toronto,
Ont.
London
Lost BIRCH,
Infant
Toronto,
Ont.
London
Lost
Brian Craik bcraik@sympatico.ca
Perth/Ontario/Canada
----------- 25 Sep 2002 I enjoyed your site. The
photo of the Crew on deck includes my grandfather,
Alexander Craik who died on the wreck. I have
photos of him in uniform. He was the second
steward and probably the tallest of the crew. I
would love to have any names of the Crew and a better
image of that photo. Reply from SeaView:
I see your grandfather on the
crew's list as: Name
Position
Remarks CRAIK,
A.
Sec.
Steward
Lost While I was
filming the Empress shipwreck I went into the Steward's
Quarters area. It was there that my lights died and left
me in the dark. I became lost for about 7 minutes in
total darkness. It was not a nice experience.
Hope this
helps your investigations. Dan
Lindsay See Web page: Alexander
Craik
Leslie Robinson eos_one@hotmail.com
----------- 25 Sep 2002 My
grandmother (now deceased) told me a story years ago
about my great-great-grandmother dying when a ship sank
off the coast of Newfoundland. My
great-great-grandmother was Mrs. Alfred Robinson of
Toronto (originally from England). I don't know her
given name. I believe she was travelling with her
daughter. Is there anyone answering this description on
the passenger list? Many thanks. Reply from SeaView:
Sorry but that name doesn't
show up. The Empress sank in the St. Lawrence not
the east coast.
hugh evans hughevans007@hotmail.com
amherstburg
ontario canada ----------- 24 Sep 2002 my
grandfather was a crewman aboard the empress of ireland
and was saved, but died in 1920 from bad health
resulting from the sinking before i was
born
hugh evans hughevans007@hoymail.com
amherstburg
ontario canada --------- 24 Sep
2002 on my last entry i forgot to mention my
grandfathers name. it was john evans and his daughter is
still alive at the age of 92 years and still lives in
their original house in bootle liverpool. My
father died back in 1964 Reply
from SeaView: Yes Hugh,
your grandfather's name is on the list
as: Name
Position
Remarks EVANS,
J.
A.B
Saved So what
was the illness he died from?
Dave
Noppe noppedj@webhart.net
Pembroke, Ontario --------- 22 Sep
2002 Great Site !! Fantastic pix !! Keep up the
wonderful work !!
Micheal Milton fred.milton@rogers.com
http://www.histori.ca/
Alliston, Ontario, Canada
--------- 19 Sep 2002 This is such an awesome
web-site. I liked the video clips the best.
I would really like to go to Tobermory to learn
scuba-diving, so I can look at the wonderful shipwrecks
with my very own eyes. Micheal (age
8)
Joe Robson joe009@sympatico.ca
Toronto, Ontario, Canada --------- 16 Sep
2002 Fantasic web site. I plan to do suba diving off
the Empress next summer. I understand that the ship is
still in great shape. I am looking forward to my visit
and will keep you posted of my dive.
andysaunders andysaunders80@hotmail.com
Spalding,Lincolnshire,UK
--------- 16 Sep 2002 family legend has it that
my great grandparents were on board and drowned,while
coming back to liverpool and to see my grandad who had
fought in the great war.Their names were Patrick and
Theresa Saunders although someone else who had a list of
names told me that they were not on it.I wonder if they
went under a different surname.Theresas' surname was
german,she was a "von" something.Hope you can help find
them in any way.Great site. Reply
from SeaView: Sorry Andy I didn't see the surname
Saunders or and Von's in the entire passenger list.
There are some Van's but no Theresa or
Patrick.
Bertha Hill biomed0102@yahoo.com
Cinti. Ohio --------- 02 Sep 2002 I have
never heard of this disaster until I rented a video
about maritime disasters.
Mandy testarossa@shaw.ca
Alberta --------- 28 Aug 2002 Went for a
walk through a cemetary in town today, and found two
graves stating the Empress of Ireland as the cause of
death. I was amazed when I read your site that I have
never heard of this ship! It'd be nice to have a little
information on these people, when I saw their graves it
really struck me as interesting. Wm. and Mary Garnett
and Beatrice Howarth (hard to make out the last name,
pretty sure that's what it says) and her two children
Emmie and Leonard Thank you for any information you can
give me! Reply from
SeaView: Yes Mandy I have found the names on the
Third Class Passenger's List. Sorry this is all
information I have. Name
Ticket Purshased
at Destination
Remarks GARNET,
Wm.
Calgary,
Alta.
Liverpool
Lost, body identified GARNET, Mrs.
Wm.
Calgary,
Alta.
Liverpool
Lost HOWARTH, Mrs. R.
H. Calgary,
Alta.
Liverpool
Lost HOWARTH, Emmie
Calgary,
Alta.
Liverpool
Lost HOWARTH,
Leonard
Calgary,
Alta.
Liverpool
Lost
Barb
Evans eevans@telus.net
--------- 20 Aug 2002 Message: My great uncle "Henry Birkett" was one
of the doomed passengers on the "Empress of Ireland". He
was returning to England after studying to become a
minister and being ordained in Canada. This is the only
information I have. Can you see if he is on the
passenger list and when and where he bought his
ticket as I am trying to trace where he went to bible
school. How were the families notified about the
missing and were they compensated. If so what was
done. I find this facinating and am determined to
find out all I can, but need to be steered in the right
direction. Thank you so much for your
help. Reply from
SeaView: Yes Barb I have found his name on the
Second Class passenger list. Unfortunately it
doesn't tell much. Name
Ticket Purshased
at
Remarks BIRKETT, Mr.
Henry
Carstairs,
Alta.
Lost
Marguerita Mannix margueritamg@hotmail.com
Mexico --------- 09
Aug 2002 My great uncle was the purser on the Empress
of ireland I always wanted to find out more .
Was so pleased when i saw your web site
although sad. He was the purser and
from wigan. His name was Johnny
Durkin. I have no details is he on the crew
list? Thanks. Reply
from SeaView: Yes I found his name on the crew
list. He's listed as Cafe Steward
though. Name
Position
Remarks DURKIN,
J. Cafe
Steward
Lost
Pauline Horton info@naturaloutings.com
http://www.naturaloutings.com/
Ontario, CANADA
--------- 01 Aug 2002 My great uncle JAMES
PROWSE, was a survivor of this tragedy. He was a steward
on the Empress of Ireland. He told me how when he was in
the water and trying to get into a life boat, people in
the life boat hit him on the hands and tried to stop him
climbing in. Eventually, somebody in the lifeboat took
pity on him and said "let him in". He survived, and
after spending time in Quebec City decided that Canada
was the place for him. He returned to England, packed up
his belongings and together with his wife came back to
Canada. He worked at the Chateau Frontenac for a long
time and then eventually settled in Scarborough,
Ontario. Since that time and partly because of him, many
members of the family have emigrated from England and
settled in Canada. Pauline Horton. Reply from SeaView:
Yes I found his name on the
crew list. Name
Position
Remarks PROWSE, J.
B.
Asst.
Steward
Saved Interesting to see the two names
above his were saved as well. PRITCHARD, J. and
PRITCHARD, O. Looking down the list, several of
the crew were saved. Quite a bit of the crew would
have still been up at that time of the night and on the
upper decks. That's why several of the crew were
saved. Those that had retired below were not so
lucky.
Jenna Jenna_is_14@hotmail.com
Canada --------- 16 July
2002 I was wondering if u had anything on a halliday
man that died during the tragidy he was one of my great
uncles. I think his name was Chris Halliday Reply from SeaView:
Hello Jenna. Sorry I
could not find the name Halliday on the Passenger and
Crew list for the final journey of the Empress of
Ireland. I hope this helps your
research.
Philip Kiko kikofamily@hotmail.com
--------- 12 July
2002 Hey, Dan. In case you were wondering, my
grandfather knew about 12 families who were on the
Empress of Ireland, because he had actually sailed on
the Empress of Ireland about 2 years before the wreck,
and while he was in Canada, he met several first, second
and third class families, before they went on the final
voyage. Sadly, all the families he had met, ironically,
had all died. His story has been passed down, and ever
since I heard the story, I've been obsessed with it. he
knew the Cullens, the Barbours(one daughter survived),
the hepburns, the Hunters, the Allgroves, the Felsteads,
the Jays, the Kerrs, the Mortons, the Nixons, the
Parrishes, the Steals, and the Zouks.if you could give
me the information you have on these families (you
already sent information about te Cullens and Barbours,
so if you could give me the rest a little at a time,
that would be great. sorry to ask so much. Thanks a
bunch!
Philip kiko PGCDKIKO@aol.com
--------- 8 July
2002 hey! I was wondering if you had in your
passenger list information about the Barbour family, the
Jay family, the Kerr family, and the Zouk family? from
what I know, all four families were lost, but I don't
know if their bodies were recovered. Could you help me?
Thanks!
Philip Kiko kikofamily@hotmail.com
Arlington, VA United States ---------
6 July 2002 This site is great! I was wondering if
you had any information on Mrs. Maude Cullen and her
family. If you could tell me if they survived, or if
they died and if any of their bodies were recovered, and
possibly their ages, it would be greatly appreciated. if
you could also give me the same information on Sebena
Babour and her family as well. thanks! Reply from SeaView:
Hello Philip. I've
looked up Mrs. Maude Cullen name on the First Class List
of the final journey of the Empress. It
reads: Name
Ticket Purshased
at
Remarks CULLEN, Miss
Maud
Toronto, Ont.
Lost
Body Identified CULLEN, Mrs. F. W.
Toronto, Ont.
Lost CULLEN, Master Albert
E. Toronto, Ont.
Lost
Body Identified
I've also found
Sebena Barbour in the Second Class Cabins. Name
Ticket Purshased
at
Remarks BARBOUR, Mrs.
S.
Silverton,
B.C.
Lost
BARBOUR, Miss Florence
Silverton, B.C.
Resued
Adopted in Quebec BARBOUR, Miss
Evelyn
Silverton, B.C.
Lost BARRIE, Mr. W. S.
Silverton, B.C.
Lost
Gloria glowharf@yahoo.com
British
Columbia --------- 5 July
2002 Excellent site, enjoyed the photos and the
music. Was checking out family stories about
grandparents coming to Canada on maiden voyage in 1906.
My father said the ship later sank on a return trip to
England.(know for sure it was not Titanic). Believe
Empress of Ireland may be the ship. Thanks.
Gloria.
Gene Baycroft g.baycroft@encode.com
Orillia Ontario Canada
--------- 2 July 2002 An
interesting format..... now on favourites listing thanks
to Dan Lindsay
Nick Chauvin fishy_king@hotmail.com
CAN ONT. --------- Monday, 3 June
2002 It's helped me for my project about the
wreck.
David Woodland dwoodland46@hotmail.com
herts
ENGLAND --------- Thurs, 30 May
2002 My uncle Edwin Gray who was a Warcry artist with
the Salvation Army band aged 21 was returning to England
after 7 years living in Canada to see his mother
again,having sent her a letter of his departure,was to
perish on the Empress of Ireland.Stories came to my
grandmother that he was asleep at the time of collision
and water compartment doors were closed to keep the ship
afloat trapping Edwin "ted" below.Via the "Warcry" paper
we have Copis of some of Teds sketches etc.We would love
to hear of any further information or developments of
this website.Regards David Woodland
Kirsten kllamas@bellsouth.net
Miami, Florida, USA --------- Tue, 28 May
2002 I first heard about the Empress of Ireland last
night on PBS. My interested was peaked by the
conversations with David Creighton. His grandparents
were David and Bertha Creighton who went down with the
ship. My great,great grandfather was a David Creighton.
He had a brother, John, who went to Canada. It's a shot
in the dark but just wondering if there is any
information about the origins and the children of David
and Bertha? (He mentioned that 2 of the children were
Edith and Cyrus but I did not get the
rest.
Jason woodland jasonwoodland@msn.com
Bristol England Excellent presentation. Also if
anyone has any info on a master gray who was in the
salvation army band who perished on the empress do not
hesitate to contact me as my nan passed away with all
the facts in her head.
Erica Ormeno
eormeno@msn.com Corpus Christi Texas,
U.S.A
JIM PRICE jimprice@supanet.com
LIVERPOOL ENGLAND My great grandfather James Lally
was a fireman on the Empress, even though his name was
spelt as Yally on a memorial napkin! He was only
30 and had been married 7 years. My "Nin" thought
for years he would turn up after possibly being injured
and losing his memory. Very sad.
Reply from SeaView:
Hello Jim. I've looked
up your great grandfather's name on the crew list of the
final journey of the Empress. It
reads: Name
Position
Remarks LALLY, J.
Fireman
Lost Unfortunately according to the CPR listing your
great grandfather was never found. CPR would list
the names LOST if the body was never recovered or
unidentifiable. Thanks for sending your remarks
about your long lost relative.
Dan
Robert Volpato glorialovesrob@hotmail.com
niagara falls ont canada Way to
kool,heard rumors that a ww2 german sub sunk&located
in the st lawerence,,,,any of this true?????????????
tanx
Reply from Todd Ziegler
(Canadian U-Boat Expert): There have been rumours of a U-Boat
sinking just west of Tignish on the North Cape of PEI,
although I tend to believe these are only rumours from
investigations. There certainly were U-Boats operating
in the Gulf, with several ships sunk by them in the
vicinity of the Empress, including the corvette
Charlottetown. I have heard nothing of
any new discoveries. I can suggest http://www.uboat.net/
as a source of information or ?U-Boats against
Canada? and ?Tin Pots and Pirate
Ships? by Michael L. Hadley for hardcover. Now there is
a WWI German U-Boat in northern Lake
Michigan but that?s been known for a
while.
A u-boat captured after the war and
commissioned as HMCS U-190 was sunk in 1947 off of Nova
Scotia by the Haida and some other ships as gunnery
practice. It's a bit of a stretch to say it's in the
Gulf of St. Lawrence, but if it's painted red and yellow
that's likely the one.
H. Douglas douglash@siast.sk.ca
Saskatoon SK I am trying to track down some info for
our family tree. My mother-in-law came to Canada on the
Empress of Ireland from Ireland. It must have
been close to
one of the last trips as she was born in 1908 and said
she was about 5 years old. Her name was Gertrude
McGowan. Where can
I check the
passenger lists? Thanks.
Reply from SeaView: To find out more
information about other voyages of the Empress of
Ireland previous to the sinking you could try contacting
the CPR archivist Ms. Judith Nefsky @ (514) 395-7951 in
Montreal.
oyu yo@caramailcom
Ontario I like
your web site, oyu. I WROTE IN THE
GUEST BOOK EARLIER. I FORGOT TO INCLUDE MY
GRANDFATHERS NAME WHICH WAS JAMES REID. HE
WAS SAID TO BE A FIREMAN/STOKER. I WOULD LIKE TO
KNOW WHERE THE MONUMENT IS THAT
HAS HIS NAME ENGRAVED ON
IT. .FOR ANYBODY WHO NEEDS TO KNOW I ALSO HAVE A
COPY OF THE PASSENGER/CREW LIST IN MY POSSESION. I
OFTEN WONDER COULD ANY OF THE CREW HAVE MADE THEIR HOME
IN CANADA AFTER SURVIVING,ANY INFORMATION WOULD BE
APPRECIATED
xxx xxx xxx xxx ur
website is awesome
Manoncho Garcia cocobongo15@hotmail.com
cancoon
mexico exquisit
Terry Prior minidriver@tiscali.co.uk
Liverpool
england Found website while searching for infomation
on crew list. My grandfather was a stoker, john
summers. Any infrmation on crew list greatfully
recieved excellent thanks
Reply from
SeaView: Found your
grandfather's name on the crew's list Terry. It
reads: Name
Position
Remarks SUMMERS,
J.
Greaser
Lost Hope this
helps your research. Dan
Lindsay
David Shaw davidshaw@thirlmere.fslife.co.uk
Freeserve England
Hi I
found your site most fasinating particularyly since I
have recently learned that my Great Uncle could have
been a member of the crew of the Empress his name being
William THOMAS He would have been aged 29 at time of the
accident His wife was Victoria Eunice THOMAS (nee Hodds)
Is it possible you could check this for me or indicate
where I can see a full crew list of those lost Thanks in
anticipation David Shaw
Reply from
SeaView: I see a listing
in the crew list for the final journey of the Empress
with the name: Name
Position
Remarks THOMAS,
W. Asst.
Steward
Lost
While I was filming the Empress I went
into the Steward's Quarters area. It was there that my
lights died and left me in the dark. I became lost for
about 7 minutes. It was not a nice experience.
Hope this
helps your investigations. Dan
Lindsay
Enjoyed the visit very much and will
return for updates. I'm retired District Manager
Marketing & Sales C P Rail, London Ont and have in
my possesion a dinner plate retrieved from a friends'
dive to The Empress in 1984. A real treasure Calvin
J. Timms Burlington, On Can - Sunday, November 19,
2000 at 06:45:13 (PST)
Peter
Daniel mailto:anne@daniel76.fsnet.co.uk
Preston
Re Empress of
Ireland. We Are looking to find details of Mr H
Brooks of Bolton, Believed to have been on the
Empress. Any Help Please to
aliveronb@aol.com
REPLY
FROM SEAVIEW: On the passengers list I see
a Mr. F.P. Brooks in Second Class that was from
Toronto, rescued and returned to Toronto. Could
this be the person you are looking for? There are
other Brooks in Third Class: Mrs. Frank Brooks
(Toronto), Miss Dolly Brooks (Toronto), and Harry
Brooks (Vancouver going to LiverPool, lost, body
identified). |
ANGELA
SLATER http://empress%20of%20ireland/ANGELA
( ELLA) SLATER. LIVERPOOL
ENGLAND.
HI' AGAIN ,I
WROTE IN THE GUEST BOOK EARLIER,I FORGOT TO
INCLUDE MY GRANDFATHERS NAME WHICH WAS JAMES
REID,HE WAS SAID TO BE A FIREMAN/STOKER,I WOULD
LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THE MONUMENT IS THAT HAS HIS
NAME ENGRAVED ON IT.FOR ANYBODY WHO NEEDS TO KNOW
I ALSO HAVE A COPY OF THE PASSENGER/CREW LIST IN
MY POSSESION.I OFTEN WONDER COULD ANY OF THE CREW
HAVE MADE THEIR HOME IN CANADA AFTER SURVIVING,ANY
INFORMATION WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
REPLY FROM SEAVIEW: There is
a mass grave monument right at Rimouski, Quebec
that probably has your Grandfather?s name on it.
It is just down the road from the Point-au-Pere
Lighthouse and Visitors Center.
There is a
shot of it in our video we have produced on the
Empress of Ireland. The video portrays the history
of the sinking of the Empress of Ireland with
solid facts.
Dan |
angela
slater http://empress%20of%20ireland/mailto:ANGELA%20SLATER%20@LIVJM.AC.UKLIVERPOOL
ENGLAND
MY GRANDFATHER
WAS PRESUMED DROWNED ON THE EMPRESS OF IRELAND ,
HE WAS 29YEARS OLD,MY GRANDMOTHER WAS PREGNANT
WITH HER FOURTH CHILD. AT THE TIME OF THE TRADGEDY
THE CITY OF LIVERPOOL SET UP A FUND FOR THE
SURVIVING RELATIVES OF THE CREW WHO DIED,IT WAS
CALLED THE LORD MAYOR OF LIVERPOOL APPEAL
FUND. |
S.Burton mailto:Suzysleuth@aol.com
Dorset England
I have been
looking for an Edie Griffiths. I was told that she
might be connected To the Empress of Ireland in
someway. Would she have been on the ship when it
sank. I would be grateful for any information.
Thank you.
Reply from
SeaView: The last name
of Griffiths does not show up on the passenger or
crew list of the final journey of the Empress of
Ireland.
Sorry. |
Cindi
Botbyl mailto:%20cbotbyl32@hotmail.com
Niagara Falls, ON CANADA
TO WHOM IT MAY
CONCERN,
I HAVE NOTICED THAT THE COMMENTS
HAVE BEEN DIRECTED TOWARD FINDING LOST LOVED ONES.
WHAT I MAY ASK FOR HELP WITH MAY BE TAKEN IN THE
WRONG CONTEXT. IF I OFFEND ANYONE, PLEASE
IGNORE. I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO ARRANGE A
DIVE EXPEDITION FOR A VERY DEAR FRIEND OF MINE. HE
HAS BEEN OBSESSED WITH THE WRECK FOR YEARS AND IS
AN ACCOMPLISHED DIVE INSTRUCTOR. IF
THERE IS ANYONE THAT CAN E MAIL ME SOME
INFORMATION TO TRY TO MAKE HIS DREAM COME TRUE,
PLEASE DO. YOURS VERY TRULY
Reply from SeaView:
Thanks for your comment (inquiry) Cindi.
Comments and inquiries of a diving nature are most
welcome. Because the web site has be devoted
quite a bit to the Empress, it has attracted the
lost loved ones questions (which is quite all
right). But SeaView Imaging is an underwater
video production company dealing with a variety of
underwater/diving related topics. I can
enquire for you about who is arranging dive
charters to the Empress these days. It's
been quite a few years since I was there last and
since then the government has made it an historic
site, and things have changed. One company I
know of that does trips there is Mad Dog
Expeditions.
http://www.mad-dog.net/PLACES/empress.HTMl
is the url for this. I will get back to
later with a cheaper way. Dan
Lindsay |
I have been looking for an Edie
Griffiths. I was told that she might be connected To the
Empress of Ireland in someway. Would she have been on
the ship when it sank. I would be grateful for any
information. Thank
you. S.Burton Suzysleuth@aol.com
Dorset England - Wednesday,
November 07, 2001 at 06:45:52 (PDT)
Reply from
SeaView: The last name of Griffiths does not
show up on the passenger or crew list of the final
journey of the Empress of Ireland.
Sorry.
Hi! I just stumble onto your sight!
It's great! Do you cover all ships (vessels etc?) I am
searching on behalf of a friend (we both working on our
family trees) and she is trying to find information on
the following: John RYAN (was her great granfather) was
amerchant seaman (born 1882 from Liverpool England). He
ddied on board the British ship called CLIFTONHALL on
its way from Liverpool to Quebec Canada. Apparently,
fell down one of the ports on board and broke his neck)
When the ship docked at Quebec, he was buried. She
cannot find any record of this (and actual cause of
death) or where in Quebec he was buried. Sometimes John
Ryan was known to say he came from Dublin, for some
strange reason! A death certificate or place of burial
cannot be found. The date of death/burial is: 14/15
march 1923. Very much appreciate any help you can give
on this matter. With thanks in advance. You may email
me direct. Dotemorris@aol.com
thanks again, Dorothy E. Morris, Whitby
On.Can. Dorothy E. Morris Dotemorris@aol.com
Whitby , Ont. Canada - Friday, November 02, 2001
at 12:15:44 (PDT)
I'm a little shakey on my history, but
I believe the Empress of Ireland was involved in another
accident a few years before her meeting with the
Storstad. My great?-grandfather, surname Braine,
was part of the crew and was listed as a fatality in a
NY Times article. His home was listed as London,
England. He is buried in
Canada. Leslie
Ellis banth@home.com
Hatboro, PA USA -
Wednesday, September 19, 2001 at 19:58:07 (PDT) Reply from
SeaView: The only other collision I know of was when the
Empress of Ireland hit what might have been an abandoned
derelict vessel that caused some superficial damage with
no injuries. You may be thinking of her sister
ship the Empress of Britain which was in a collision
with a Norwegian collier the Helvetia. The
Helvetia sank from the collision. This accident
ironically happened in the St. Lawrence not far from
where the Norwegian collier Storstad hit the Empress of
Ireland and sank her. This happened two years
before the Empress of Ireland sank so perhaps this is
the incident in which your great grandfather
perished.
Good Day To All; I must convey my
deepest admiration and humble appreciation for you
having made such a splendid site in dedication to this
terrible event. These disasters have always captured our
emotions and shall always hold us in awe. They teach us
that mere size of a vessel does not assure
infallibility. Thank you for allowing my thoughts.
H.L. Kimberlée Anne-Marie
Elisabeth Karolein Baroness/Baronin von
Preußen-Fackenthal-aus-Frohnleiten baronin.vonf@schweiz.org
Geneva-Genève, N/A Switzerland and the USA - Wednesday,
August 29, 2001 at 11:49:17 (PDT)
I saw this on the Discovery Channel
some time age and was extremely shocked that this was
definitely a "forgotten" tragedy in the analog of Irish
history. I am a member of the Ancient Order of
Hibernians here in Hamilton, New Jersey and would like
to know if I could possibly obtain a full-length picture
(copy of course) of the Empress to hang in our Club. I
would like to formally present it with a copy (if
possible) of the actual newspaper article broadcasting
the sinking in 1914 to the Division members. I
definitely think her sister ship, the Titanic,
overshadowed this catastrophy, but I would like to bring
this tragedy to the knowledge of our members and their
children and remind them not to forget this sad moment
in Irish history. You have my e-mail; cost is not a
consideration, of which I would pay gladly for these
items to preserve part of my Irish history. Who knows -
- I may have had ancestors on that ship, since my
mother's side of the family comes from Canada. Hope that
your organization will keep the memory of this beautiful
ship alive for years to come. Melissa L.
McFadden mcfadden62@aol.com
Hamilton
Square, NJ USA - Monday, August 20, 2001 at 07:51:47
(PDT)
Previously you kindly checked the
passenger list of the Empress of Ireland on her last
voyage for my great aunt's name but I believe I gave you
the wrong surname. I think her married name was Elsie
South. I would be pleased if you could check again.
Thank you for your help and a fascinating web
site. Lesley
Jones
Lesley Jones ljones@so1617a.f9.co.uk
Kidwelly,
Wales - Friday, August 03, 2001 at 06:15:15
(PDT) Reply from SeaView:
Sorry Lesley,
I could not find any South's on the passenger list of
the finally voyage of the Empress of
Ireland.
dearly love the page, have been
interested in the Empress of Ireland ever since i was a
kid and staying with my great grandmother at a boarding
house in Dartmouth in 1975. One of the borders was a
survivor of it. tony
ciccariello ajciii@hotmail.com
jackson, nj usa - Thursday, August 02, 2001 at 20:04:27
(PDT)
Finally found something on the Empress
of Ireland. I wish I would have been more interested in
this when my dad was alive. He and his brother came over
alone in 1912 His name was Bertram LaBram and his
brother's name was James O'Leary. Landed in Nova Scotia
from England. They had a mean step-mother so Uncle Jimmy
gave his last name as O'Leary. Dad was 11 years old at
the time and Jimmy about 3 years younger. For all I know
they might have hid in the Life-boats. I know they
didn't have any money. Sure wish I had more information
on this.
Mary LaBram
McNeely
McNeelyma@aol.com
Okemos,
Mi. USA - Monday, July 30, 2001 at 09:46:40 (PDT)
I viewed this Guest Book first out of
interest about The Empress of Ireland. My mother (Olga
(Mills) Larke gave me the Forgotten Empress by David
Zeni as it was out of publication when I was searching
for it in the States. My Grandmother, Grace (Larmond)
Mills (husband George) arrived in Canada on it's last
crossing. She traveled to meet her husband in
Saskatchewan and they lived in Struan, Saskatchewan
until her late 70's and she moved to British Columbia
and died a few weeks before her 100th birthday. I cannot
believe this excellent site exists and cannot wait to
pass the word along to the rest of my family in Alberta,
British Columbia and Ontario. I shall visit this site
often! Thanks!
Carol Londres carollondres@yahoo.com
Plano, TX USA - Friday, July
13, 2001 at 23:19:06 (PDT)
I think this is a great site, but could
you possibly give me information on the Hanigan family?
I know that little Grace lived, but could you give me
information on what happened to her parents? Also, could
you give me information on all the children who were on
the Empress of Ireland? All you got to do is give me a
list of their names, tell me if the lived or died, and
if any of their bodies were recovered. Please do this
ASAP, for this is a great site and i really need
information on the unfortunate children of the Empress
of Ireland. Thank you!
Philip PGCDKIKO@aol.com -
Friday, July 13, 2001 at 18:54:54 (PDT)
Reply from
SeaView:
I see the Hannagans on
the passenger list reading
as: Second Class Name
Ticket Purchase
at
Remarks HANNAGAN,
Adjt. Ed
Toronto,
Ont.
Lost .............body identified HANNAGAN,
Mrs.
Toronto, Ont.
Lost HANNAGAN, Miss
Grace Toronto, Ont.
Rescued.......Returned to Toronto I'm afraid I have
no way of telling you the names of all the children on
board at the time of the tragedy. The listing I
have does not go into any more detail than what I have
given you above. Sorry.
Interesting site - Thank you. Where can
one find information on trips that the Empress took in
1904? I believe a great aunt traveled on the
Empress landing in Quebec sometime in 1904 and would
like to confirm that informatioin if at all possible.
Any help would be most appreciated.
Thanks in advance. Kurt Kremlick kremlick@juno.com
Kalamazoo, MI, UUS - Friday, June 29,
2001 at 17:47:52 (PDT)
Reply from
SeaView: To find out more information
about other voyages of the Empress of Ireland previous
to the sinking you could try contacting the CPR
archivist Ms. Judith Nefsky @ (514) 395-7951 in
Montreal.
I found your site interesting to view.
Wish something was said regarding the large number of
members of The Salvation Army that were lost on the
Empress. The Salvation Army has an interesting display
regarding the Sinking of the Empress of Ireland at their
museum on Bayview Ave in Toronto.
E. Neil
Evenden neil.evenden@sallynet.org
Sault Ste. Marie, ON Canada -
Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 18:55:29 (PDT)
Reply from SeaView:
Neil: Yes I see that when I expand the web
site with more information, I need to definitely include
something about the Salvation Army loss. Our video
about the sinking mentions the Salvation Army
though.
Dear Dan: It
wasn't until today that I knew that the unfortunate
demise of the Empress of Ireland took more lives than
the Titanic. I only found this out, because I am
researching "the family tree" and was talking via land
lines, to my 81 year old uncle in Ontario..and he
mentioned it, in passing, that that was the same ship,
that my grandfather (John Philip Lempriere) was put on,
to deliver him safely, upon the shores of france,in WW1.
My Uncle said that my grandfather was devestated by the
news that "his" ship had been sunk...in Canadian waters,
without the aid of the enemy! I don,t know what to call
it, except friendly fire,..without weapons! In
researching as much as I have been able to, your site,
is, hands down, the most accurate, and the most
truthful, for all of the information that is available.
Dale
Lempriere/Metcalfe Metcalfe@noralta.com
Bonnyville, AB Canada -
Thursday, May 17, 2001 at 19:28:40 (PDT)
My husband's father and his parents and
brothers were to go back to Ireland on the Empress of
Ireland on that last voyage , but were sent off the ship
because my husband's Uncle Paul got the whooping cough.
I sent this story to David Zeni a few years ago.
I was wondering if there are passenger
lists for the Empress to Canada on previous voyages.
This same family, Edward Duffy, Hester Duffy, with
children Paul, James, William, Thomas came to Canada on
The Empress of Ireland in 1912, from
Ireland.
N. Duffy nlduffy@sympatico.ca
- Monday, May 07, 2001 at 09:28:33 (PDT)
My grandfather lived at Port Rowan and
remembers the night the "whiskey ship" ran aground or
sank. It would be around 1922 or 1923. Do you have any
information on this ship?
Tracy Dixon tdick@sympatico.ca
Parkhill, Ont Canada - Sunday, May
06, 2001 at 16:26:23 (PDT)
Reply from SeaView (John
Veber): John
Writes: I have been researching the shipwrecks of
Longpoint for many years and photographying them for
almost as long. The City of Dresden was built in
Walkerville, Ontario, in 1872. She was a wooden
propeller steamer and had upper cabins for passengers.
Rebuilt in 1886, she ran from Windsor to Leamington. By
1922, this little steamer was 50 years old very tired
and unseaworthy. On November 17 1922, the City of
Dresden was loaded at Belleville with $65,000 worth of
whisky which consisted of Corby's Special Selected and
Old Crow. The destination was listed as Mexico because
of proibition. She ran into bad weather off Long Point
L. Erie and anchored in Gavelley Bay untill the storm
shifted from the North. Her anchor was weighed and the
City of Dresden rounded the South side of the Point and
sailed into history. The old hull could not take
continuous pounding of the waves and took on water
faster than the pumps could handle. Cases of Whisky were
thrown overboard the length of Long Point to lighten the
load. In 1976 a case of Wiskey was found in the sand. As
she settled lower in the water her steam whisle was
sounded continuously as a distress signal which could be
heard in Port Rowen. This attracted all the towns folk
who rushed to Long Point to see the wreck. The ship
began to break up on a sand bar off shore so the
lifeboats were launched. They both rolled and the
Captain's son, Peregrime, was washd away in the surf and
drown. As the ship broke up the Wiskey came ashore and
the spectators recovered the cargo and hid it. Telephone
lines were cut so it would take awhile for the law to
get there. By the time they got there the booze was
gone. I met a fellow years ago who was there and he
showed me the exact spot were the City of Dresden meet
it's end. The ship was never recovered and it's bottom
is still probobly about 300 yards from shore. I flew
over the area took photos of what could be a piece of
the hull but that still has to be invsetigated. I can
send you a photo of the ship if you would like. I am
interested in your grandfather's
story.
I´m painting Empress of Ireland, it´s
wonderful. Disaster was horrible, but lucily my
great-grandfather managed to get to America earlier.
Ship was the same anyway...
Suvi Räisänen suvi1981@hotmail.com
Äänekoski Finland - Tuesday, April
17, 2001 at 04:49:35 (PDT)
Michelle Campeau micmack@sympatico.ca
- Tuesday, March, 20, 2001 at 20:27:24 (PDT)
Reply from SeaView:
I see your Grandmother's
sister's name on the passenger list reading
as: Third Class Name
Ticket Purchase
at
Destination
Remarks HARVEY, Miss
Windsor, Ont.
Liverpool,
Eng.
Lost It would be interesting to hear more about your
relative lost on the Empress of
Ireland.
We have come upon an old wicker trunk
that has the name M. Diblen or Diblem on the name plate,
along with the name Empress of Ireland, Sault Ste Marie.
Could you give me any more information on this person or
where I could find it? Thanks for the help.
Phil Slagle elgalsp@aol.com
Itasca, Il USA - Tuesday,
March, 20, 2001 at 10:36:37 (PDT)
Reply from SeaView:
I don't see that name on
the list of passenger and crew of the Empress of Ireland
on the tragic journey. Perhaps this trunk belonged
to a crew member of the Empress sometime before the ship
sank on May 29, 1914.
I know now that my dad's Uncle
Frederick Joseph Cresswell & wife Fanny lost their
lives on the Empress. For years the family legend was
they drown on the Titanic. Would like more info, where
would they be buried..if they found the bodies?
Michael
Cresswell
http://www.mick-cresswell.co.uk/post@mick-cresswell.co.uk
England - Friday, March, 09, 2001 at 14:43:20
(PDT)
Reply from SeaView:
I see your relatives on
the passenger list reading
as: Third Class Name
Ticket Purchase
at
Destination
Remarks CRESWELL, Jos.
Lethbridge, Alta.
London
Lost CRESWELL, Fanny
Lethbridge,
Alta.
London
Lost I can only suggest checking with the mass grave
a Point-au-Père, Quebec or the Mt. Pleasant Cemetery in
Etobicoke. If they were with the Salvation Army,
they probably were buried in the Mt. Pleasant
Cemetery. Since the listing says "Lost", their
bodies were not likely found.
My family has a book "The Tragic Story
of the Empress of Ireland" published in 1914 by Logan
Marshall here in Canada. It contains pictures,
interviews about the Empress and also a good deal of
material about the Titanic: interviews with survivors as
they landed in Halifax, etc. plus newsclippings from the
period. Some of my family contend that the book is
worthless and should go in a yardsale though it is in
very good condition. Does anybody know if it is worth
anything? Thanks
Joanne Doucette joanne@caea.com
Toronto, ON Canada - Wednesday, March, 07, 2001 at
09:32:05 (PDT)
Reply from SeaView:
I understand that that book you have is worth
between $30 to $60 CDN. Better hold on to
it. I have a copy of that book myself.
Wouldn't let go of it.
I have been researching the Empress of
Ireland and I have found it very interesting. However, I
am curious to find out how it was built. Can anyone
help?
Randi Redding Randi_Redding@hotmail.com
Enid, ok 73701 - Tuesday, March, 06, 2001 at 08:10:25
(PDT)
Reply from SeaView:
You could get a hold of Ian Kinder who has
reproduced the Empress of Ireland blueprints. His
address is 301 Frances Ave., Unit 1405, Stoney
Creek, Ontario L8E 3W6 Canada (905)
662-1620. You can also check out our web site
about the Empress construction on page http://members.home.net/rmsempress/empress1.htm
. We also sell a video that explains the
building of the Empress of Ireland. You can check
that out on our web page http://members.home.net/rmsempress2/empvideo.htm
.
I had a great aunt who drowned on the
Empress of Ireland. Her name was Laura Ruud or Laura
Bjerke. She had come from Norway to visit her relatives
(including my mother, who was almost 2 years old then),
in Winnipeg, Manitoba. Laura was on her way back to
Norway at the time the ship went down. I would
appreciate if you could find her name on the passenger
list because our family is making a family tree and we
aren't sure which name she used.
Karen Neale kneale@mergetel.com
Thorold, ON Canada - Monday, March, 05, 2001 at 19:40:56
(PDT)
Reply from SeaView:
Sorry Karen but I could not find Bjerke or Ruud
or something even close on the list.
My family lost our great-grandmother,
Mrs. Peryer, on either the Empress or the Titanic. (no
one seems to know for sure) She was traveling from
England to visit my grandmother in Canada. Is there a
complete ship's passenger somewhere, so that the mystery
can be solved once and for all??? Cheers!! S.
Gilliam Sharons589@aol.com
Benicia, US California - Wednesday, February 28, 2001 at
20:42:19 (PDT)
Reply from SeaView:
At first I thought I
would not find the name on the passenger list since you
said Mrs. Peryer was travelling England to Canada. The
Empress sank going Canada to England. But I did find
that name. It
reads: Third
Class Name
Ticket Purchase
at
Destination
Remarks PERYER, Mrs. J.
London, Ont.
London
Lost Could this be your
great-grandmother?
Sharon:
Thank you so much for the
info?I think that?s probably what I was looking for.
Great grandma was on her way back to England after
visiting my Grandmother. The family story goes that
after my Great-Grandfather found out that his wife had
lost her life, he tried to commit suicide by throwing
himself under a Trolley/Buggy, but lived to see another
day. I would be interested in any other info
regarding this subject..
I saw the documentary "Lost Liners" on
PBS. I was familiar with all the tragedies except the
"Empress of Ireland". Now I know. . . Allen
Snyder amplanner@netscape.net
Oakland, MD USA - Tuesday, February 27, 2001 at 10:51:21
(PDT)
My mother?s uncle and aunt, Gabriel and
Marion Marks, were passengers on her last voyage. Their
bodies were returned to Australia for burial.
At the time of his death Gabriel Jacob Marks was
43 years old and Marion Marks (nee Alexander) was 40.
Gabriel?s Will described him as a "Merchant". He was a
philanthropist and obviously well known and liked in
Suva as there is a street in Suva, Fiji, named for him
and a Rotund/bandstand/clocktower in the park in Suva
erected in his honour. My mother was one of his 29
nephews and nieces, all of whom benefited from his
will.
Judith WIMBORNE
mailto:special@spirit.com.au
Canberra, Australia
-
Saturday, February 10, 2001
Reply from SeaView: Yes. We
already have a web page dedicated to Mr. & Mrs. J.
Gabriel at http://members.home.net/rmsempress2/horwood.htm Cabin:
Second Class Name:
Ticket Purchased at:
Remarks: MARKS, Mr. J. Gabriel (P.J.?)
Suva, Figi
Lost Body Identified Cabin:
Second Class Name:
Ticket Purchased at:
Remarks: MARKS, Mrs.
Suva, Figi
Lost Body Identified
I believe that my great Aunt was
drowned when the Empress of Ireland sank. Her name was
Elsie Fron Nevil (not sure of the spelling) and she was
in the Henry Irving acting company. She had three
children , one of whom was Honour, and one was Cherry
who died in childhood, I think. I'd like to hear from
anyone, through this Guest Book who knows more or who is
a relation. The story has been told to me by my mother,
Renee Judd (nee Roberts). Her father, Frank Bentley
Roberts, was Elsie's brother. from Lesley Jones
Lesley Jones - Monday,
February 26, 2001 at 08:26:08 (PDT)
Reply from SeaView:
Sorry Lesley but I could not find that name on
the passenger list of the Empress of Ireland on the
journey on which it sank.
Learned of the Empress of Ireland while
on vacation in Rimouski. We found the website very
informative and liked the music.
Leslie & Joe kniperubly@gateway.net
Seaford, NY USA - Sunday, February 25, 2001 at 14:40:36
(PDT)
My grandfather William Horwood, a
member of the Salvation Army band, was lost on the
Empress of Ireland.
Don Horwood donhorwood@home.com
Cochrane, Alberta Canada - Friday, February 09, 2001 at
17:27:56 (PDT)
Reply from SeaView: Yes. We
already have a web page dedicated to Mr. William Horwood
at http://members.home.net/rmsempress2/horwood.htm Cabin:
Second Class Name:
Ticket Purchased at:
Remarks: HORWOOD, Mr. William
Toronto, Ont.
Lost
i have found your web site most
interesting. my g grandfather was on board the empress
of ireland on this unfortunate voyage. he was on the
crew employed as a fireman. i have discovered this
whilst researching my family tree and was delighted to
discover your informative page. his name was john ryan
born in dublin - living in liverpool at the time. he
survived this wreck and carried on in the merchant navy
until his death in 1923 on board a ship called
"cliftonhall" which so far i have not been able to find
any info about. if anyone happens to know anything
about john or the "cliftonhall" i would be most pleased
to hear from you. many thanks once again for your
excellent info. carol carol
sheldon mailto:carol.sheldon3@btinternet.commanchester
england - Sunday, February 04, 2001 at 06:54:08
(PDT)
Reply from SeaView: Thanks
Carol. I see John Ryan's name of the crew list as
a fireman that was saved. Cabin:
Crew Name
Position
Remarks RYAN, J.
Fireman
Saved
My grandfather Pierre Viaud sailed to
Canada on May 3, 1907 as a first class passenger
on the Empress of Ireland. He travelled from Vay, France
to board the ship at Liverpool and land at Quebec City.
His destination was his homestead at Loveland, Alberta.
I have the letter that he wrote to his parents and
sister while on board the ship. He mentions that the
ship was going very fast as the wife of the President of
the Company was on board. They saw icebergs "as
big as cathedrals" and had quite a stormy crossing with
most of the passengers suffering from seasickness. Their
route took them north of Ireland, south of
Newfoundland, south of Anticosti Island to Quebec
City. I enjoyed your website. Thanks for the
information and photos.
Julie Viaud Johnston viaudjdl@home.com
Calgary, AAB Canada - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at
14:57:37 (PDT)
Excellent information on sinking of
Empress of Ireland. Were there any passengers aboard
from Nova Scotia? Harry Chapman hchapman@sprint.ca
Dartmouth, N.S. Canada - Wednesday, January 10, 2001 at
10:35:44 (PDT)
Reply from SeaView:
There was 1 in first class: Dr. M.A. Lindsay (Halifax),
1 in second class George Edwards (Halifax) and 2 in
third class Miss M. Blackburn (Halifax) and Jules
Bronchin (Springhill).
Great site, I did not have any
relatives on the Empress, but I am interested in the
history of the ship I have read many accounts of the
sinking, but still find it very sad that so many people
lost their lives in this very tragic event. I will
return to this site, often!
Ron
Johnston ron.johnston@merseymail.com
Liverpool England - Tuesday, January 09, 2001 at
17:55:16 (PDT)
My Great grandfather came here on her
May/3/1922 from Finland.to Minn. Great
Page Andrea
Pirkel ggroll@core.com -
Friday, December 22, 2000 at 16:41:37 (PDT)
Love the sea; Love your Web site. Love
the music. Beautifully done... Respect, love and honour
is felt here for those lost at sea; And for the vessels
that languish there. I will add a link to your wonderful
place on my Links Page. Thank you so much for your
labour of love. Audrie
Rogers VA USA -
Friday, December 15, 2000 at 00:38:22 (PDT)
Great website Dan, wish you had come
out here for the Princess Kathleen expedition
! Woody Brad
Coram crashnazi@hotmail.com
Vancouver, B.C. Canada - Tuesday, December 12, 2000 at
15:59:18 (PDT)
Reply from SeaView:
Hey
Woody!! How's the western world treating
you? Wish I could have made the trip. I
heard fantastic stories from those that did.
My great grandfather was on the Empress
of Ireland when it went down. His name was Christopher
Halliday. He came from Scotland. Dianne (Halliday)
Bayes <moonmoppg@home.com> Prince
George, BC Canada - Friday, December 01, 2000 at
19:50:25 (PST)
Reply from SeaView: I see
your great grandfather's name on the Second Class
passenger list. It reads: Cabin:
Second Class Name
Ticket Purchase
at
Remarks HALLIDAY, Mr. C.
Pierson, Man.
Lost......body identified
this site was soooooooooo cool i really
like all of the pic's well bye bye keep up the great
work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! from lacey lacey
maceachern <lazybones1985@hotmail.com> judique,
n.s. canada - Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 14:35:20
(PST)
The story of the Empress facinates me.
I am also a Titanic buff. I especially liked the music
on the web site. Dana Maney - Wednesday,
November 22, 2000 at 11:36:40 (PST)
I liked your page on Empress of Ireland
, My grandmothers Brother George Oswold Willis was on
this ship. He worked as second saloon-smoke room steward
Arthur Moore - Thursday, November 16, 2000 at
13:12:11 (PST)
Reply from SeaView: I see
your great grandmother's brother's name on the Crew
passenger list. It reads: Cabin:
Crew Name
Position
Remarks WILLIS, G.
Smokeroom Steward
Lost
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